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Different theory than david. why go into court at all? >> again, it could be some stalling tactic. there is no case or controversy with kupperman now. so it sounds like what happens is the judge said look, kupperman came in to see if he has to obey the subpoena. congress withdrew the subpoena. >> in that particular instance. >> in that case. congress says whenever people who are part of the administration say they're not going to testify, we're just going to chalk that up. >> we're going to roll right by. but boldin is still seeking this there. >> are other court cases in which a judge will de...

Oversight. can you imagine what it means for the separation of powers if the president just gets to say, sorry, i'm not sending people to go talk to the congress. but historically, as you know, nixon made a similar argument in the early 1970s. and this wasn't about people testifying with nixon, it was about did nixon need to turn over tapes of private conversations that he had. that's arguably a more private matter, of course, than an individual who happens to work for the president. and the court said, yes, you do. so at some level the legal question here is absurd. these people, if they are ...

You go public and it was pretty specific, too, on television, and say that you're going announce an investigation into the president's political opponent, this aid is not likely to get delivered in the is out of ambassador sondland's testimony in the is not a democratic fantasy in the is an appointee of donald trump, a political appointee of donald trump saying that. >> so will we be hearing from john bolton and mick mulvaney? >> well, that's a good question. as you know, both of them have essentially handed over the question of whether they have to appear to the court. and that's amazingly fr...

Sources give. every day brings new reporting from inside the white house. note by pamela brown with us tonight with jefferiry toobin and former ohio governor. 2016 presidential candidate. john kasich. when it comes to the white house saying they will not cooperate unless a formal vote is at a taken. is there a from a legal perspective is there anything to that or is this just a stalling tactic. >> the letter is eight pages single paced but it could be summed in a hand gesture which i will not demonstrate. the bred breadth of the objections is so extraordinary it's not we won't provide the witn...

Call evidence. he is the author of "how to get rid of a president." and katrina mulligan who represented the doj in the national security council process and now works at the center for american progress. david, what do you see as significant and what unfolded today? >> what we see is the president's team trying to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. that's not new. what's new is that it's escalated. now it's an official white house letter saying all of impeachment is invalid, you can't do this. but they have a fundamental problem, which is it's in the constitution. this is a legi...