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To mr. papadopoulos. if every one else remembers it the way papadopoulos does, so be it. just on what we know public lip sitting here right now, it doesn't strike me as a good purge perjury case. >> very good point.doesn't stri perjury case. >> very good point.sitting here doesn't strike me as a good perjury case. >> very good point. whether trump will sit down with mueller or not, at what point does mueller run out of patience and realize this is just a stalling tactic, if he thinks it is, and ends up subpoenaing is president? what would you be doing? >> i think the mueller team has long ago,...

This goes. rudy giuliani in that clip there also told me in some of our conversation h conversations that he does feel -- bring that on, that is a legal argument they will win even if it means having to go to the supreme court. if they feel like that is the natural outcome of this, that's fine. i agree with you this is becoming a stalling tactic on the interview. the parameters change seemingly by the day as to what mueller and his team would have to agree to in order for them to put the president willingly in front of these investigators. this is a tactic they are looking to stall. perhaps no...

And for judge kavanaugh. the fact of the matter, paul, kavanaugh wrote more than 300 opinion, they are out in public record and they are what's relevant for qualifications to be on the bench, go through those, the democrats have and can't find anything, i think this is obviously just a stalling tactic, plus you have -- what really givessateway people like chuck schumer, kamala harris have announced that they will vote against the candidate, why do they need more documents, paul? paul: with the meetings with heidi heitkam and donly that kavanaugh is doing and others are going to meet with him h...

And for judge kavanaugh. the fact of the matter, paul, kavanaugh wrote more than 300 opinion, they are out in public record and they are what's relevant for qualifications to be on the bench, go through those, the democrats have and can't find anything, i think this is obviously just a stalling tactic, plus you have -- what really givessateway people like chuck schumer, kamala harris have announced that they will vote against the candidate, why do they need more documents, paul? paul: with the meetings with heidi heitkam and donly that kavanaugh is doing and others are going to meet with him h...

Inequalities going on in the country. it's about race and he tries to downplay that it's not about race, but we all know it is. >> with us this sunday to share their reporting and insights, i will yan na jackson of politico and harry bacon and katelan collins. >> one who defied his subpoena and challenging the legality of the investigation. also a new response, it appears to be much more a stalling tactic. did not appear to close the big gap whether the president will refuse to answer questions. the big case brought by the special counsel will likely go to the jury in the week ahead. prosecuto...