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Mcgahn was being told by the fbi and what he was saying in response. >> look, there is going to be a problem here that porter wasn't likely to make the cut for clearance. and mcgahn go out and finish the investigation and let's see what happens. and it is important to understand that the way this works is the fbi and the intelligence agencies they do their investigations and come up with the negatives. and whether mcgahn can delay this or wanted more information that is not entirely clear. >> it could have been he wanted more information or a stalling tactic on the part of mcgahn. >> exactly. ...

Matthew rosenberg joins us on the phone. what can you tell us that don mcgahn was being told by the fbi and what he was telling them in response? >> we're told that it was in november. that the fbi came to mcgann and said, there's going to be a problem here. that porter likely won't make the cut for permanent clearance. and that mcgahn requested the fbi go out and finish the investigation, see what happens. it's important to understand that the way this works the fbi and the intelligence agencies, they do their investigation and come up with any negatives. all up to the white house to adjudica...

Republican memo for political gain, if he refuses to also release the democratic memo. remember trump said that the republican memo vindicated him. now this memo was sent to president trump's desk by republicans and democrats on the committee. so now that it bounces from the white house back to the committee, they can still vote to release it. what they've been instructed to do is work with doj and fbi to relieve some of that sensitive and classified information in order to make the document public. >> do you think, betsy, that this, what could be perceived as a stalling tactic by some, does t...

Degree temperatures and it gets cold. stand outside in the teens, it's going to be dangerous, actually. people need to keep this in mind. once they put you in that pen, you're there for hours and hours. >> jon: bundle up if you're coming to the big apple. thank you. >> you bet. >> jon: new u.s. sanctions against north korea targeting two people the treasury department calls key leaders of kim jong-un's ballistic missile program as russia offers to mediate negotiations with the u.s. while some see any talks as a stalling tactic by the north. >> they'll essentially go back to the negotiating tab...

We have to wait and see if there's contrary testimony. on what his conversations with the white house staff, the conversations with the president, in over 40 years watching such activities. watching television like this, i have never ever heard somebody say well i can't answer that question because i want to preserve the president's right to invoke executive privilege. that, as far as i can tell, is an invented ground for refusing to testify. i've looked at department of justice department. there's an article v which i think is about information. i think he has to come forward and say on what ...