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Different situations that produced stand-offs, but they happened at a similar time. how much is this the government now sort of underreacting because of the fall-out from those two incidents? >> well, clearly, we learned a lot of lessons in both of those incidents for how these anti-government people react. they don't submit easily to lawful authority. most people when we go with a search warrant, they submit to authority when they know you're a federal officer, a police officer, they surrender. sometimes people shoot, but now when you talk about the violent anti-government groups, they get a ...

Deliberately prof vocativeprovo. people are accusing him of say politicizing this issue. he said he would, that our inaction is a political decision and we must change the politics around this issue. but then he went back to the guns issue as an example of the differences between the two sides, of the fight in washington. he said in five weeks, we'll have a fight over the debt ceiling and i could say, congress, you give me gun safety reform legislation, or i will not sign the debt ceiling and we'll crash the economy on purpose. i would never do that. you should have the same sense of responsib...

Now, i guess, when he sends his cattle to slaughter, grab his profits. >> these are small victories for a large segment of society, but they are minor compared to the larger victories which are elections. the real war is the election. not stand-offs in nevada. they will come and go, and things will wurn turn out okay, but the white house who prefer you focus on that, rather than the bigger question how do you win 2016. this is just a distraction. >> remember, when they had a town hall, standing room only. you don't get a group like that together just because of one person's cows. this is a cul...

Four checkpoints run by militias. two of them were armed with rifles and the mood is very tense. as you know, the president -- acting president of ukraine has announced a counterterrorism operation. we have just arrived where forces are now gathering to launch that operation. and there have not been any stand-offs yet in the region, but it seems like the movement of these forces is coming soon. >> i'll just ask you, you say you went through military -- i'm sorry, checkpoints set up by militias. who are those militia groups, pro-russian separatists or ukrainian? >> reporter: they seem to be pro...

Now, i guess, when he sends his cattle to slaughter, grab his profits. >> these are small victories for a large segment of society, but they are minor compared to the larger victories which are elections. the real war is the election. not stand-offs in nevada. they will come and go, and things will wurn turn out okay, but the white house who prefer you focus on that, rather than the bigger question how do you win 2016. this is just a distraction. >> remember, when they had a town hall, standing room only. you don't get a group like that together just because of one person's cows. this is a cul...