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There's perjury. but it is not a trap. >> ken, i do not have the legal expertise you have, but in my 45 years of research, i always found the best way not to get caught lying is to not lie. >> well, first of all, certainly michael's correct about the technical use of the term perjury trap, but newt gingrich is a history professor, not a lawyer. he was using it descriptively in mr. trump's personality type. he is the king of hyperbole. that personality type and his stubbornness about it are really not well suited to sitting down and giving particularized, specific answers. i mean, that's what n...

Getting limits put around as bill clinton's lawyers did the manner and place and duration of that kind of questioning. >> so michael zeldin, ken brought up the key point, can special counsel robert mueller force the president to answer questions? how does that work? >> he can. he has the power of grand jury subpoena and he can compel the witness in this case the president to appear. there's nothing in the law i found that reflects on the possibility that there needs to be some sort of threshold which is the word his lawyers are using, some threshold that has to be met before the president has ...

Down with him it will be very pointed questions and it won't take that long to get to what they want to get to. so long as the president is answering. >> well, let's see, guys. we're actually out of time. but let's see if this is the beginning of a negotiation or perhaps the beginning of what could be a long, drawn-out political fight that we will all watch. ken and michael, great to have you with us, guys. i appreciate it. alyson. >> super bowl update, ear muffs, john. the city of philadelphia preparing for an epic super bowl parade. there will even be free beer. what could possibly go wrong?...

♪ so "the new york times" reporting this morning that the president's lawyers are concerned he could incriminate himself or be charged with lying to investigators if he meets with special counsel robert mueller. president's long-time supporter newt gingrich shares that concern. >> and i think the idea of putting trump in a room with five or six hardened, very, very clever lawyers, all of whom are trying to trap him, would be a very, very bad idea. >> don't put him in a room with smart people because he might lie to them. could an interview with the special counsel be a perjury trap for the...

Besides the point. the truth of the matter is they would be much better off, not with standing ken's counsel to the president which is correct, the president has to learn how to stay on message, which in this case is on the truth. but they would have been -- they would be much better off to take a lesson from ronald reagan who in the iran contra-testimony did not exert executive privilege, did testify, did cooperate, gave his personal diaries over and suffered the consequences of being interviewed. >> written answers in that case, though. i think the president -- trump that is, is going to be ...