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It's ridiculous. [inaudible] president clinton had a game plan and it was very effective. stall, four corner offense as we used to say and pound the prosecutor, turn the country against the prosecutor and against the whole process before it gets to the house impeachment. the politics were different but what the house had in contrast to hear was a very comprehensive report. it's called the starr report. they could go through it and then they could look at all the evidence was all there. we had to hire a u-haul truck to send it up. they had the opportunity to go through it and determine if were ...

Constitutional or unconstitutional. we have a duty to treat what they did with respect regardless of what we think about the process they used, whether unfair or violation of basic norms in history and tradition, but they've done it. they have to live with that. now we have an obligation to try the case so what do we do? i think what we do is, as a matter of. [inaudible] we listen to what the house managers have to say. we give them a decent opportunity, a full and fair opportunity to present their case, essentially their argument. it's almost as if we have now moved to the stage of arguing be...

It's characterization and i would say this is one person's reading. it's a very unfair characterization of the transcript itself and then it is a particular interpretation of the facts that followed while ignoring exculpatory facts. that was one of the strange things to me about the long report very briefly. the long report, in terms of the evidence opposed to the rhetoric and history and the tribute to the founding fathers, we welcome that, we hoped this would be the new order of the ages. we want to know what the founding fathers thought. they emphasize ambassador gordon sunderland. i listen...

It's ridiculous. [inaudible] president clinton had a game plan and it was very effective. stall, four corner offense as we used to say and pound the prosecutor, turn the country against the prosecutor and against the whole process before it gets to the house impeachment. the politics were different but what the house had in contrast to hear was a very comprehensive report. it's called the starr report. they could go through it and then they could look at all the evidence was all there. we had to hire a u-haul truck to send it up. they had the opportunity to go through it and determine if were ...

Witnesses at a trial? call me old-fashioned but isn't that what trials are all about? the precedent here, i learned from professor gerhardt yesterday, 40-something witnesses in andrew johnson's trial, three in bill clinton's trial and the record was set. it was in a box. you had the starr report. here there's so many unanswered questions and we're thinking of having a trial with no witnesses? i don't know how that's -- >> 71% of americans in our poll say they want to hear witnesses in the senate trial. what was it, 64% of republicans? if the fight is about hearing witnesses, the democrats are ...