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Was? what happened here? >> well, i don't think that robert mueller would be the first attorney to think he was being crystal clear when for the rest of us it was a huge mound of legalese. that's not particularly unusual but i do think the times have changed around him. it's been a while since he served in government, and echoing something that bill barr said today, the political climate is much different, so if your expectation is that, you know, congress is going to read a 400-plus page report, you hib thinking about -- might be thinking about a different era, the starr report, when the publ...

Trailed events, before the televised water gate hearings began in may 1973, fewer than one-third of americans thought the break-in was a scandal, after the hearings, 53%, and 71% thought nixon culpable. even then, it wasn't until the month nixon resigned that a majority of the public supported his removal from office. jim, if that's the case, people say why are democrats skittish about impeachment hearings. sometimes you need to lead rather than follow what the polls say. what's your interpretation of that? >> i read the mueller report, the starr report and tapes. >> unlike some members of con...

Voted democratic. so i really don't worry about the political consequences. i really think that's a secondary consideration when the vitality and the sustainability of the constitution is at stake. >> i see you nodding over there. you hear the congressman talking about the past and the impeachment proceedings were president clinton. how useful is that historical analog? the at the rain hterrain has ch. >> i worked on the house government reform and oversight committee and i remember we literally had to run to get a copy of the starr report because there was no internet you could work with. >> ...

To impeachment. >> absolutely and that's a significant thing he told you there. the question that you asked him, will overseen yor members of the judiciary committee or senior members of leadership go that far. and the broader question that cicilline and other members of the house caucus, do people understand the difference between impeachment inquiry and impeachment overall. big part of what they said for months if not years, we're not going forward with impeachment unless the overall country can stand for it. i don't think that the vast majority of people understand the difference, that an i...

Near impeachment. it is the rare, rare exception. it does go, as you say, against the traditions of the judiciary committee. and i just think because the judiciary committee consists of lawyers, they should ask their own questions. it's a matter, frankly, of tradition, but also decorum. why should the attorney general of the united states, confirmed by the senate, be answering questions by highly paid staff lawyers? i think the attorney general was in his rights in saying no, i'm happy to answer your questions. you were elected.ns you ask the questions but not hired help.io >> sean: in the sta...