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What we are seeing is a realization by the white house that we have to be more honest about the fact that to defeat isis and start shaping the battle for those long-term strategic points the administration wants to do which most people are for, you have to create conditions so those things and start working, to create conditions you must defeat isis and that is why we recognize we don't want to put 100,000 troops back into combat but we have to be as secretary carter said use more direct action to be effective and shutdown isis. jenna: there was not the same expectation in afghanistan, putting...

Fence. a huge fence with barbed wire, and a guard tower. and we said, gosh, i can't believe that you -- you know, you keep these girls in. and they said no, no, no. this is to keep other people from coming in. because people want so badly to come work in this factory. but we have to keep them out or they'll just come in here and start working, and trying to compensate. so this is to keep people out. >> so at this point, you wanted to make sure you got what he was saying. >> i wanted to -- >> that wasn't your intention when you started. but as it unfolded, you now were taking some measures to p...

Right, and people win the lottery, start working, and sometimes you do find money, and i do for my clients and you can never stop. >> talk about finding money. i have a story on found money. if you found $220,000 in cash on the side of a road in a ziploc bag what what you return? >> go right to the police and return it. >> i'd like to think i would do that. $220,000. i might have a heck of a party. the kennedy cousin michael skakel probably about to have a party. he spent 11 years in prison for killing a neighbor with a golf club. today he is out on bond and awaiting a new trial. a judge t...

Employment. >> start working. what about the judge? what do you think is going through his head? >> i imagine he's thinking, how do i fix this? how do i help? that's what i was thinking about when i started researching this case. and i really do think that the solution here is trying to find this person some sort of employment because it really is about being personally financially responsible for your children. >> sunny hostin, thank you. of store management started as hourly associates. there's opportunity here. i can use walmart's education benefits to get a degree, maybe work in it, or be ...

>> i think it was a very felixy move. >> did you get along in. >> yes. >> how would you characterize your relationship? >> friendly. >> talked a lot. >> sometimes. >> when you worked on a deal, talked on the phone, in person? >> mostly in person. i was two doors down. i would go upstairs and speak to him. but to return to your question about how is it that i meet people like that, as an example, knocking on donald trump's door and saying hi, let's start working. when i was working on telecommunications deal, i was invited to a dinner party in moscow. and there was a lot of russians there. i wa...