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>> i don't think it will affect the issue of using drone attacks, even though i think everyone from general mcchrystal to others have raised the question of the death of innocents is something that's causing a lot of anger. but of course baitullah massoud, people are say this was not a sophisticated guy and made all sorts of mistakes, is not hugely important if the pakistan taliban is connected to him in any way at all. previously the pakistan taliban just did not operate outside of its borders. it wanted to basically the afghan dimensions as well as what was going on in pakistan was very much...

The issue of using drone attacks, even though i think everyone from general mcchrystal to others have raised the question of the death of innocents is something that's causing a lot of anger. but of course pbaitullah massou, people are say this was not a sophisticated guy and made all sorts of mistakes, is not hugely important if the pakistan taliban is connected to him in any way at all. previously the pakistan taliban just did not operate outside of its borders. it wanted to basically the afghan dimensions as well as what was going on in pakistan was very much within their borders. so this i...

Possibilities or terror group possibilities with evan kohlmann. but does this suggest that the u.s. has a pakistan problem now? or is it we've had one all along and haven't been willing to acknowledge it or which? >> i think we've had a pakistan and afghanistan problem for a long time. we picked one side in what's become a civil war and we've pushed a number of the taliban up into pakistan, and i think pakistan is a very fragile situation. we have attended to approach these problems with 99.999% military tools while we keep talking about the need to reach out in other ways. and i think that we...

Again, more state to state basis here, they're not going to negotiate with the taliban necessarily, but what does one government do relative to the sort of half government in pakistan? >> i think what's really interesting, which no one has raised, from may 10th to may 14th we have hamid karzai here from afghanistan and what is really lurking behind that summit effort is a try to reach out and begin figuring out a strategy for reconciling and dealing with some of the taliban chiefs in afghanistan. one wonders whether this attempt was in some way designed to pre-empt that effort -- i do think th...

Their borders. so this is the first incident of a, i think, a real element of global jihadism that we may be seeing from how they feel pushed. >> all right. so let's continue to talk on this on a state to state basis because i think we talked about a lot of the terrorist cell possibilities or terror group possibilities with evan kohlmann. but does this suggest that the u.s. has a pakistan problem now? or is it we've had one all along and haven't been willing to acknowledge it or which? >> i think we've had a pakistan and afghanistan problem for a long time. we picked one side in what's become ...