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Here, they're not going to negotiate with the taliban necessarily, but what does one government do relative to the sort of half government in pakistan? >> i think what's really interesting, which no one has raised, from may 10th to may 14th we have hamid karzai here from afghanistan and what is really lurking behind that summit effort is a try to reach out and begin figuring out a strategy for reconciling and dealing with some of the taliban chiefs in afghanistan. one wonders whether this attempt was in some way designed to pre-empt that effort -- i do think the issue that this did not disrupt...

Again, more state to state basis here, they're not going to negotiate with the taliban necessarily, but what does one government do relative to the sort of half government in pakistan? >> i think what's really interesting, which no one has raised, from may 10th to may 14th we have hamid karzai here from afghanistan and what is really lurking behind that summit effort is a try to reach out and begin figuring out a strategy for reconciling and dealing with some of the taliban chiefs in afghanistan. one wonders whether this attempt was in some way designed to pre-empt that effort -- i do think th...

They're going -- i agree with mike hayden, that they'll try to reach out and hit us more frequently, maybe in more minor ways than we saw on 9/11 but it will be something we've got to deal with. >> and how do we deal with it? again, more state to state basis here, they're not going to negotiate with the taliban necessarily, but what does one government do relative to the sort of half government in pakistan? >> i think what's really interesting, which no one has raised, from may 10th to may 14th we have hamid karzai here from afghanistan and what is really lurking behind that summit effort is a...