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Database. it's a federal database, and we believe that the sanctions should also be on the federal level. now, we do believe that it would be appropriate -- would should have one standard for every company in the united states, and it should be the e-verify or another system that is bullet proof so employers can easily and without much cost determine the legal status of their employees. >> and, andrew, is this another case of the state steps into an area where the federal government hasn't been as effective as you think and many others think it could have should? >> that's exactly right. if th...

For trying to ferret out illegal immigrants in the workplace, and arizona law has boot-strapped onto that and i think it is working effectively. we do have a problem with identity theft in arizona and that relates directly to our illegal immigration problem, and i agree with that. our law has been effective. it has had a broad deterrent effect on illegal immigration, and the studies show the illegal immigrant population has dropped by 18 to 30% over the last couple years, and i believe the employer sanction law played a role if that success. >> glen, if you would, explain your view of this, th...