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And i know there will be people saying he is being targeted because he's president. people come across the table or in the sights of prosecutors and zrer investigators for reason. once you are in their sights, you look for behavior. the more with trump, the more you find. >> there are a list she says she will look into. feels like the kitchen sink. is there anything there that stand out that is particularly useful the state tomorrow will be looking into that the southern district of new york or u.s. attorneys haven't looked into or aren't moving forward to or the special counsel's office? >> i...

It doesn't help him if there's a state charge. >> evan, what exactly might he be lying about and is he still a useful witness? we'll get that on the other side of the break. xfinity mobile is a new wireless network

Say, look, this is exactly what you fear, and now it's happening to me. and, remember, after paul manafort was found guilty, the president called him an outstanding person, almost the person who is being treated as if he was -- i think it was al capone was the way he used it. he has probably tried to shore up that sentiment again. i wouldn't pass to think this as a strategic play for a pardon. it doesn't help him if there's a state charge. >> evan, what exactly whimight be lying about, and he is a useful witness? we'll get that on the other side of the break. no one can totally satisfy a cravi...

The southern district which he could do. then you still have your attorneys general. new york, new jersey, perhaps elsewhere. i'm not speaking from inside information. you're correct. that's separate and the president cannot pardon someone on a state charge. >>gent, i can't thank you enough. we've learned a lot in this segment. appreciate you both being here for it. ellie honing and david jolly, thanks. a deeper look at the lessons from this particular election night when we come right back. i joined uber nine months ago as ceo. the first thing that was important for me to change was the cultu...

Sf yes, states are the great escape hatch. if the president goes nuclear and starts firing people including perhaps the u.s. attorneys in the southern district, the u.s. attorney in the southern district which he could do. then you still have your attorneys general. new york, new jersey, perhaps elsewhere. i'm not speaking from inside information. you're correct. that's separate and the president cannot pardon someone on a state charge. >> gentlemen, i cannot thank you enough. we've learned a lot in this segment. appreciate you both being here for it. elie honig and david jolly, thanks. a deep...