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May not work in the favor that they hope, and that is that the president of the united states cannot pardon a state convict. so this is as i understand it, and you are the lawyer, and not me, would fall directly to the governor of wisconsin, and his ability to pardon in that state scott walker. he has indicated that he will not do so, but he has the ability to do so, doesn't he? and if the state will turns that way, do you see it in wisconsin as a possibility that scott walker might change his mind? >> i don't know. i certain willy would not speak for the governor or anybody but myself. i will...

That doesn't help. >> it does not. does not help the state. and what the state may do is bring the brother forward at feel and the brother has to essentially either fall on his own sword or help the state convict his own brother. i didn't do this. it's going to be a credible issue. >> sounds like what they're trying to get is any scintilla of reasonable doubt for the jury. >> right. if you are a juror on that jury, that is reasonable doubt. if you have dna evidence that is showing that someone else could have committed these crimes, the state is going to have a very hard time overcoming that. ...