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Barraging you with almost meaningless factoids that keep him from answering the question. >> take a listen to president trump on the plane, his version of a response or a nonresponse to this flynn issue, a serious question about our state craft and whether something was being done to undermine the u.s. government position towards russia. take a listen. >> i don't know about it. i haven't seen it. what report is that? >> -- before you weinaugurated before sanctions -- >> he said i can't hear you because it is on air force one. but the question was, this report, at that point, out 16 hours, now ...

And i hope that what's going on in american civil society now is affecting the white house in that very central dimension. >> we were talking about rhetoric, iran was firing the missile was out of his control. the dust up with australia for example was something the president could control. when the president says every country in the world is taking advantage of us. how can he mean australia? they're our biggest military partner in the fight against isis. it's unnerving for people to see and hear about the conversations. >> first of all, there have been a number of leaks around the presidenti...

Here. i found him to be someone who would listen to strong arguments and to strong people. that was my immediate take away in meeting donald trump who was then presidential candidate in trump tower many months ago. the better arguments are, the more forcefully they're delivered with evidence, i believe that that gets through to him. but he also watches television, so i hope he's listening to this conversation now. what we've been talking about state craft and allies. and i do not see him as someone who will dismiss every alternative point of view. >> i have to go, but i have to ask you, is the...

You want -- >> which he is. >> you've got to go back and carefully use a lot of diplomacy to do that. the australians on many occasions sent their soldiers to serve alongside -- >> vietnam. >> they spill blood to help america on many occasions. theaustralians by nature are so friendly, it's really hard to make the australians mad at you. >> that's right. [ laughter ] >> if they succeeded at that, it's a huge -- >> although, i heard somebody on twitter say to that, well, they didn't work at ""the new york post." [ laughter ] >> it's a hugeprocedure. i understand that donald trump is volcanic bu...

Statutes that govern that policy if the time has come for statutes to be altered, that will be the role of congress to alter those statutes. >> right. >> in the meantime at the state department if i'm there and confirmed to be there it's our role to enforce what congress has expressed its desire, so if the judgment of the congress and the judgment of the state department, the president elect through consultation views we have moved to a different place, then we should address that, but not just ignore what the law of the land is. >> right. no, i understand that completely. i'm just saying dipl...