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Well to trust or to rust and that is the question many here in germany say that the country is facing as it begins rolling out its 5 g. network now 5 g. technology it allows internet speeds a 1000 times faster than what we have today it will make the internet of things a reality autonomous all those will be possible radically everything could change but not everyone is convinced for the better in order to roll out 5 immediately germany will not be able to avoid doing business with the chinese tech giant who way it is the global leader in 5 g. equipment and germany's ally the united states have...

Country is facing as it begins rolling out its 5 g. network now 5 g. technology it allows internet speeds a 1000 times faster than what we have today it will make the internet of things a reality autonomous altos will be possible radically everything could change but not everyone is convinced for the better in order to roll out 5 g. immediately germany will not be able to avoid doing business with the chinese tech giant who way it is the global leader in 5 g. equipment and germany's ally the united states have considered who are away a potential security threat it's equipment a possible trojan...

Equipment and germany's ally the united states it considers who are away a potential security threat it's equipment a possible trojan horse concealing state espionage the us australia and japan they have blacklisted who away this is what secretary of state mike pump aoe said earlier this year during a visit right here in berlin. we've been pretty clear about how we view the wrist connected to while away and 5 jeter structure infrastructure the internet the future must have western values imbedded within it there's a 2nd mission which is to make sure that we have to keep our friends about these...

Hacks. we're also used to getting that letter saying we're terribly sorry we've lost your credit card information. that's actually not what state on state espionage is all about. what the going on here is the hack occurred in 2014. we believe from all the forensic evidence we've seen it was done by chinese intelligence and done at some point they were getting into the database of the office of personnel management, the most boring office in washington, but the one that held the security information of everyone in the united states, 22 million who have applied for insurance. what do you do with...

Eventually. >> yes, absolutely. >> natasha, what was your reaction? >> it was classic putin. i mean this is something he's been doing all along like julia said. he did it in eastern ukraine. he said it was president the russian state that intervened. it was patriotic russians that wanted to fight on behalf of the separatist movement. >> it was almost exactly the same language he used to describe what they were doing there. >> exactly. but the thing is in russia, the line between state and private is very much blurred, and it's the same when it comes to cyber operations. the line between state ...