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That was the headline of the hearings. it's not just in cincinnati, it's in washington. but people are confused. can you break this down? where do we stand now? we as a country in the irs so-called scandal? >> well, the administration has admitted mistakes but no one in the administration has said it was my mistake, bill. you go back to 2012. there was testimony from washington officials, the irs commissioner said washington knows about the targeting and there's no targeting. they know about the process of the irs so then the scandal breaks in may of this year and what happens, washington blam...

With him. tell me about wilkins. what are the allegations? what did he supposedly know was going on? >> well, both the irs officials in washington, especially lerner were directing them what to do and what to target. >> was wilkins doing that? was there allegations that the president's man was doing that? >> there's allegations that both of them railrowere involved in . a couple of people, other than wilkins, joseph grant who was the second head to roll in the irs has not testified. so liberal groups were targeted too but if you compare the numbers, the numbers of conservative groups targeted ...

Was all about race. you and i know that's not what it is all about. >> i'm hoping the president will read my talking points and say, you know what? we have got to start to get to the root of the problem. trayvon martin and george zimmerman is not the root of the problems. the root of the problem is what we laid out. this afternoon, kate middleton gave birth to a new british royal, a boy weighing 8 pounds, 6 pounce ounces. the latest from london. and talk to bernie goldberg why some americans kill. christine o'donnell roughed up by the irs. wait until you hear this. we hope you stay tuned to th...

Report back the liaison role with him. tell me about wilkins. what are the allegations? what did he supposedly know was going on? >> well, both the irs officials in washington, especially lerner were directing them what to do and what to target. >> was wilkins doing that? was there allegations that the president's man was doing that? >> there's allegations that both of them railrowere involved in . a couple of people, other than wilkins, joseph grant who was the second head to roll in the irs has not testified. so liberal groups were targeted too but if you compare the numbers, the numbers of ...

A witch. >> i'm not a witch. i'm nothing you've heard. i'm you. none of us are perfect, but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us. >> bill: but now an accusation the irs unfairly said merchandise o'donnell owed back taxes and somebody, somebody leaked her tax stuff to the opposition joink us from washington managing editor of the hill bob cusack. how serious are these allegations. >> they are pretty serious. the left likes to mock her. these allegations are getting some traction on capitol hill. investigators looking at it because when she launched her campaign, the irs put a ...