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Winning the popular vote in presidential elections. we have won them five out of seven times. we have to rebuild at the state levels. they did a very good job in some of the states that they had to win. they did a good job, obviously, in michigan and wisconsin by eeking out narrow wins in those states where we -- they hadn't won previously. >> joel, let me ask you this. if the election -- i will get you one more shot. joel, if the election were the first tuesday in january and you had another six weeks here, what's one thing you would do differently in the last four weeks of the campaign? >> j...

Point a gun at me. >> so you're prepared to die. better dead than in a cell. >> absolutely. would you like to be in a cell? no one wants to live their life in a cell. absolutely i'm not going to live my life in a cell. >> so you're prepared to die over what prince exactly? >> it's about our country. it's about federalism. it's about the government closest to people governs best. what happens is the powers of the government have been -- those powers have been brought back up into a centralized government. and so the counties and the states, those things that were dealt at county levels and stat...

It's about the government closest to people governs best. what happens is the powers of the government have been -- those powers have been brought back up into a centralized government. and so the counties and the states, those things that were dealt at county levels and state levels are now so regulated by the federal levels 245 our freedoms and our ability to have contact with the representatives on a one-on-one, face to face basis is gone. it's gone. i have sat down with my county sheriff face to face. i sat double play with my county commissioner face to face and, you know, john mccain, he...

Important as what is going on at the state levels. states are enacting tighter gun control. that is also making people more nervous about their gun, clinging closer to them. and that means we may see the numbers for background checks increase even further going forward and wall street knows it. >> one of the things in the president's proposals would be they would audit more fbi agents and more aatf agents. they want their guns faster so therefore they will be more thorough by having more people checking. what staves the purchasing of guns ultimately? if we keep seeing -- >> this is in your whe...

Providing support for exoffenders. if we can get those bills together, i'm somewhat optimistic we'll be. able to make a difference. when you use the term mass incarceration, statistically the overwhelming majority of people incarcerated are in state prisons and state facilities for state crimes. we can only focus on federal law and federal crimes. so there's still going to be a large population of individuals who are incarcerated even for nonviolent drug crimes because this is a trend that started in the late '80s and '90s and accelerated at the state levels. but if we can show at the federal ...