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He was also culpably involved in those hush money payments. so now what the state is looking at is whether that scheme also violated new york state laws. for example, because they tried to hide the true nature of these payments, claiming they were payments for legal services, when they were really payments for illegal services, that may very well have violated new york state laws with respect to executing fraudulent documents. it may have involved violation of state tax laws because if you're trying to hide the true nature of payments and put them on the books as something other than what they...

Become state prosecutions and stone who is also going to get hit pretty hard because these violations are pretty significant. >> on page 1 and folks watching there's so much going on, people may not have heard about this, there are other times when this would be the biggest story in the world. if the longest serving obama adviser was awaiting obstruction charges and violated their gag order, you can imagine. it's the trump era. when it says on page 1, the justice department the court should consider modifying the conditions of release, does that mean in plain english go to jail. >> yes, do not...

Many people have been saying that. i feel like trump was almost getting away with that behavior and possibly criminal conduct because everyone was putting their eggs in the mueller basket which is a really important one but not the only one. i think we're hearing more about other investigations now. i don't know exactly why that is. that will continue. mueller was in such a black box. he kept everything so quiet. i don't know how he did that but he did. i think there tends to be more leaks when you're talking about state prosecutions, even other u.s. attorneys' offices. i don't think the prose...

Pardon manafort. go ahead and do it. manafort is still -- >> what stops him from pardoning him again? >> i mean, okay, we are in that other world. >> also, state prosecutions. we've been remembering george h.w. bush today, i want to remember an -- a "washington post" writer who covered george h.w. bush, but she received a beautiful letter talking about a inevitable tension that clouded, strangely, wonderfully, i feel close to you now. i want a fare thee well for you to see through your fight. that was george bush at his finest. >> so well, thank you to my panel. when we return, let me finish t...

The indictment then becomes just fact, i guess. but what is the other significance of him admitting that all -- that essentially paul manafort's theory of the case is factually correct? >> i think that's actually part of the pardon-proofing strategy that mueller has because now if for some reason mueller -- manafort was pardoned, those fa facts, which are part of a very public record and admitted to, could be easily used in state court for charges. i mean they wouldn't even need to do very much. there are double jeopardy issues, issues with state prosecutions coming after federal ones that wou...