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>> $380 billion. >> communities. color with less political representation and fewer members. statehouses and state senates. the whole thing. >> it's huge. already going to happen as a result. going to be an under count. groups, but others want to go beyond and have an under count and then on. that, we will draw districts based only on citizenship that will further reduce the cloud. minority and immigrant groups to draw as many districts as possible. it will make the gerrymandering we saw look tame by comparison. >> it's in front. supreme court and makes it harder to. rule the lower courts. >> ...

Maps. they strike them down and that's how egregious they are. here you have the guy and you look at the country and you can't gerrymander the whole map. one way is through the census. m. one way is through the census. it's used for redistricting. if you gerrymander and rig the census. >> if you screw up the data coming in. you start with an advantage. >> if you gerrymander the census and rig the census, you rig. . this is not. one other issue, but gets to the heart. american democracy. we will. with the ram. occasions for the next decade and years beyond. >> states like california, illinois a...

Where do you think you have a shot? >> you know, we have i think it's now 30. either state houses or state senates. all over the country that have voted for this in the past. in the past, the arizona speaker of the house, a republican, carried the bill. so maybe right now republicans in red states are worried about it. but in the past, they have all been for it. so, this is not a partisan issue. it looks like that now. because of the current president. losing the popular vote by 3 million votes. but it's not a partisan issue. we will pick up some of these states, because we, they've voted for ...

To see the numbers of surrogates out there. i know vice president biden plans to be in ohio. i myself have been in 30 states over the course of the last year. and i'm also focused -- >> what's the number one thing people told you they care about? >> you know what people care about, more than anything else, is that we seem to be losing that spirit of moderation, civility, love and respect for one another. it seems to have gone missing out there, and people are looking for decent men and women to pick it up and lift it up into our public discourse. i mean, what these candidates -- i've campaigne...

Then what will the people do? other than violence, there needs to be a way to address this. so why do you think so many republicans in state houses and state senates claim to be standing up for the constitution by opposing the constitution? that is, by opposing convention of states in article 5, which is the second way provided by the framers and the ratifyers to amend the constitution. >> there is two reasons to that. you know, you either have fear or courage, and what we see today is a lot of fear in our country. and leadership requires courage to do the right thing, and so you also have a l...