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Merely state something that is not a fact. criminologists and the justice department have looked into this until they're blue in the face and the simple fact is this tactic does not work and he's not being completely candid or truthful about what is better for the public and law enforcement. >> he's straight up lying when it comes to facts. but he is addressing a cultural issue that pulls at people's heart strings. then what is an effective path forward for jeff sessions now? >> the problem with jeff sessions is he's torn between needing to impress the president and keep his job and actually, ...

With big tech. >> look at social media, the thing called "free speech rights." you lookhi at google, facebook, twitter, and other "social media" giants and i've made it cleargi that we as a country cannot tolerate political censorship, blacklisting and rigged search results. you know it could go the other way also. [ cheering and applause ] we will not let large corporations silence conservative voices. >> laura: well, the focus on this from president trump and conservatives may be having an effect with reports like this one from the "new york times" state something facebook employees are figh...

Is they want more proof, more corroboration. until then, they want moore to stay in the race and they're confident he can win. jake? >> alex marquardt in alabama for us. thank you so much. joining me now is former alabama republican party chairman marty conners. marty, thanks so much for joining us. first things first, do you know if the alabama republican party has convened its executive committee in any way to discuss this situation? >> no, they haven't. >> okay. now, i know that you're -- >> i'm sure they've discussed it amongst themselves but nothing formal. >> i know you're skeptical of...

>> he didn't say off the record. >> my point is, though, i'm not sure he has the experience to know that you don't state something's off the record. it's on the record. and that's part of the problem to matt a's point. >> he called him and the next day he followed up. so you can't say he wasn't aware of this conversation. >> and he probably knew the call was being recorded, which it was. >> shawn, this is the thing, when are they going to get experienced people in the white house who know how to make the white house work? >> scaramucci really had a great debut, then he had an incredibly strang...

Press but also to the american people and to the world. and i understand words matter and since then we have seen a repe repeated case and they're both falling into this trap. and the words don't match with the reality around them. and that you pay a heavy price for overtime. it's how you become a characteru rerks. >> can he get his respect back? >> i'm careful with the l word lie and there's a lot of talk about whether that gets thrown around too much or not in the media because to me lie there needs to be an intent. you can falsely state something or be inaccurate and spin and