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Jim clapper and jeh johnson announced publicly about russian efforts. after we did that, i wonder whether or not the russians then took a step back and said, wait a minute now. we're not going to be as aggressive as we may have been otherwise. >> did you see evidence of that? >> i didn't see evidence that they continued to do some of the things we were concerned about, such as manipulating election tallies and other types of things. they were mapping the architecture of a lot of the state systems, so they could have done more. they didn't do more. i don't know if things we did vis-a-vis the ru...

Counterpart on august 4th and told him, if you go down this road, it's going to have serious consequences not only for the bilateral relationship but for our ability to work with russia on any issue because it is an assault on our democracy. and president obama confronted president putin in september. jim clapper and jeh johnson announced publicly about russian efforts. after we did that, i wonder whether or not the russians then took a step back and said, wait a minute now. we're not going to be as aggressive as we may have been otherwise. >> did you see evidence of that? >> i didn't see evid...

Optimism. everybody wants more accuracy in our elections. i just -- we'll have to hold out hope that with the reluctance of these secretaries of state and the kind of information you're going to get that you can make this kind of progress that you want. but i appreciate you making the case on "new day." >> thank you, sir. we don't want naysayers. we want folks who are optimistic and who say let's get this done because the quality and the integrity of our democracy turns on us getting it done. >> absolutely. but you got to have the right information. it's got to be done the right way. be well. ...

Interference in the election. 21 state systems targeted while the white house still pre barricades. >> the one individual in america still seem the not accept this basic fact is the president of the united states. >> then the special counsel hits the hill. as republicans confront the investigation that into possible obstruction of justice. >> i think that everything is on the table. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. hours before republicans are set to unveil finally a draft of their secret plan to overhaul american herring, the secret may be out. accord...

Fireman. how was that delay? >> my recollection is from open source reporting i read more recently. is that the fbi first discovered the intrusion. that's my recollection. >> intrusion of the state systems? >> into the dnc. >> okay. >> the -- and i recall very clearly that there was a delay between that initial contact with the dnc and when the report got to me as secretary of dhs. it may had been that there were others at the staff level in dhs who were privy to this before it filtered up to me in an intelligence report but that is my recollection. >> let's ignore the dnc for the moment. let'...