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Some of the controversy that's surrounded 9-9-9 and make a go of this after a not very great debate. >> paul: jason, is this a better plan politically, let's talk about it than cain. >> a flatter code is preferable to what we have. it will attract more investment and economic growth. in that sense, sure. he's making it operational and trying to get ahead of some of the push back that he's expecting whether to raise enough revenue and that will be the key question here. the critics who are going after it are using these start of static analysis that the congressional budget office uses, assumes...

Some of the controversy that's surrounded 9-9-9 and make a go of this after a not very great debate. >> paul: jason, is this a better plan politically, let's talk about it than cain. >> a flatter code is preferable to what we have. it will attract more investment and economic growth. in that sense, sure. he's making it operational and trying to get ahead of some of the push back that he's expecting whether to raise enough revenue and that will be the key question here. the critics who are going after it are using these start of static analysis that the congressional budget office uses, assumes...

Raise enough revenue to finance the government. but it gives this man -- >> and let me ask, how could it? if you are paying more than 20%, you opt for his. if you are paying less than 30%, you opt for the old one. >> but if everybody gets a tax cut, you are going to end up with less revenue. >> right. by giving the option, you right away are guaranteeing you aren't going to have enough money. >> the only thing that can cover that would be a surge in growth that would bring in a gusher of tax receipts. this has happened before. this is the way it works. but when you score the -- when the congre...

Those three taxes. >> mike: as you know i'm a strong advocate for the fair tax. see you see thises an an intermediate step ultimately having taxes on consumption and not punishing people for productivity which is what the fair tax is about. >> yes. >> mike: are you hoping that's the ultimate goal? >> that is the ultimate goal, but we needed to provide some certainty to the business community and to workers today. that's what the 9, 9, 9, plan. mike, it's interesting ever since i proposed that and getting a lot of conversation with workers and businesses, already, the skeptics are coming out an...

zandi and veteran political journalist ron brownstein of the "national journal" and peter baker of the "new york times." i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." herman cain and michele bachmann were on this show the day after the iowa straw poll in august. she won, he was fifth, but unbowed. >> this campaign has encouraged and our momentum continues to grow. >> reporter: in an august quinnipiac poll, bachmann ranked third among republicans with 12%. cain just 5%. now in a cbs news poll of republican primary voters she sits between ron paul and rick santorum with 4%. ...