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>> which perfectly connects to what e.j. was saying about this kind of static cling thing that's happening here, right? where you say these things and then that attracts more people to the ideas to defend it. >> right. and i think the other thing, i think the point about a vacuum of leadership is very important because we talk about a republican establishment, and i don't like to use that term because i don't think there is much of an establishment anymore. and the republican party has sent out and endorsed some of these crazy things. when people were talking about president obama as being a m...

You know, the -- >> hitler took away the guns -- >> hitler took away the guns. the sort of eugenic -- the fact that evolution is really a kind of satanic eugenic denial of god. you know, all of these things that again like to us were -- sound like this terrible gaffe. but he's really just saying what is a baseline reality to a huge part of the republican party. >> but i would -- i think that's true. but i would also add that probably a lot of the people rushing to defend ben carson and donald trump for that matter don't -- didn't actually come into that knowing anything about the hol- -- >> th...

The sort of eugenic -- the fact that evolution is really a kind of satanic eugenic denial of god. you know, all of these things that again like to us were -- sound like this terrible gaffe. but he's really just saying what is a baseline reality to a huge part of the republican party. >> but i would -- i think that's true. but i would also add that probably a lot of the people rushing to defend ben carson and donald trump for that matter don't -- didn't actually come into that knowing anything about the hol- -- >> that's my point. >> what they think is that a bunch of media elites and political...

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