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Bigger issue, which is not cop violence against minorities. it is minorities, violence upon each other. >> you can explain to me what that has to do with stephon clark who wasn't in a black on black, as you call it, stand-off. he was unarmed and shot by police. are you going on stay cop was black? it's stale police issue. i don't know why you keep bringing that up. it has nothing to do with this story. absolutely nothing. >> what i'm saying, again, i'm not talking about the particulars of this case. >> that's what we're here to talk about. that's why we invited you on to talk about this. we di...

Staff who can educate him on how hurtful some of the comments are? >> i think the default position is, in general, we default to the side of the cops and we believe them. that doesn't mean there aren't bad apples. at times they commit horrific crimes. when they do, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. as they did in this case, that should be the result here. that doesn't mean that we should somehow ignore to me the far bigger issue, which is not cop violence against minorities. it is minorities, violence upon each other. >> you can explain to me what that has to do with ste...