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Let's look at the visa stay problem. 4 in 10 got in not by coming across an open area but by a visa. there's no exit tracking and they don't leave. >> so even if you have the great wall of china, you're going to have half the population of illegal immigrants coming in. ultimately the magnet is jobs. that's why you need the e-verify system to choke it off at the point of employment. if you do that, then it doesn't matter what you have at the border and what you don't. that tends real magnet. >> why do you think we don't have more states that are mandating that? it sounds like a common sense thi...

To do comprehensive reform. but in any event it's our job tho secure the border whether or not we end up passing a so-called comprehensive immigration reform bill. again, my point is commit ourselves to a stronger effort to both enforce the law against employers hiring illegal immigrants, and securing the border and doing something about the visa over stay problem that the president acknowledged today and then i think there will be a lot more ope open mind of the american people to tackle other problems. jon: during the reagan administration that was supposed to end this problem once and for a...