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A lot of the things were intended for people who were not in the room as far as the messages that sounded almost identical to pyongyang propaganda. >> what are the north koreans get out of this? >> reporter: they have another bargaining chip. the nuclear test last week was certainly an effort to get the attention of the world. it did. specifically the united states. the united states responded four days later with a b-52 bomber up to the demilitarized zone. escorted by south korean fighter jets. you have the north koreans announcing they have an american citizen in custody, accused of stealing...

Shanghai that was responsible for this attack. in effect showing and saying to china we know you're doing this. now we have north korea. until this point it wasn't known that north korea had such a capability to carry out an attack with such success. now they have shown that. one of the difficulties with this story is quantifying the cost of it. you can say, well, they're stealing secrets, how much is it worth? who is losing? how does it work out? here you have a very definable cost of this. the movie cost i think 45ds million to make. it's out of the movie theaters. that's a $45 million price...

Person. he's been defensive in the interviews i've seen which have been disappointing. having him on the show when he was here in person, having positive interviews with him. >> we've seen glenn before. he's an interesting character and prickly at times, but this was an interesting exchange where it was like what comes first, the chicken or the egg. this is about good journalism, creating the debate that we have, but there is a point you have to evolve the conversation into at what point is this truly dangerous. we know that -- again, i get back to my documentary, michael hayden was in it, for...

Townhouse that the chamber owns on capitol hill was at one point communicating with an internet address in china. last march a printer started printing paper with chinese characters. martha: what a story this is. what else do we know about how widespread this problem is, dog? >> reporter: a report released last month found that hackers and programmers in china and russia are putting at risk $398 billion in research. they blame those two countries in particular for stealing secrets, phafrg secrets. there is widespread speculation that the recent attack on a drone could not have been tar read ou...

Americans have done it. this is allowable now. you used traditional mu anythings like cruise missiles and it took out the system. >> the chi meez and the russians are not what they are doing with state-sponsored cyber terrorism. >> they are doing state-sponsored espionage. a big difference. >> they are stealing secrets. >> they are not trying to disrupt. >> not yet. the difference between an offensive attack in terms of an act of war. it's a very thin line. one of the things the pentagon struggled with. what's an attack and how do you respond? do i then get attacked in response by a convention...