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Joining me now, charlie worzel, a senior writer for buzzfeed covering all this, including his latest alex jones scoops megyn kelly, proves the media isn't ready for trolls. charlie, has he already won? >> i think it is safe to say that he has been in control of this saga, this media circus since the moment that megyn kelly at nbc announced. actually, it was alex jones was the first person to announce it. the first to tweet photos of kelly and himself in austin, texas. basically other than nbc airing this promo, he has been sort of a step ahead, sort of setting the narrative. i think as it stan...

Texas. basically other than nbc airing this promo, he has been sort of a step ahead, sort of setting the narrative. i think as it stands now, we've had a week of just crazy controversy. it's been very difficult i think on nbc and on kelly. so i would say at this point he has won a little bit. >> i debated this on my radio program earlier this week with the audience. i am of the viewpoint, tell me if you think i'm wrong, i am of the viewpoint you do an interview like this but you've got to be on top of your game, you've got to do your homework. you can't give an inch. but i don't like the idea ...

Reasons, once a lieutenant in the mexican mafia. he defected, while serving a prior 23-year prison sentence for kidnapping and aggravated assault. victor was back in the bexar county jail on a parole violation. >> when a mafia member decides to defect after members of the mafia place a green light on that ex-member, there's a light on you, they will always beat you until you are no longer alive. so if they beat you one day, you happen to survive this assault, three weeks later you're walking down the street and see you, they're going to keep assaulting you until you're no longer living. >> i a...

Use his first name for security reasons, once a lieutenant in the mexican mafia. he defected, while serving a prior 23-year prison sentence for kidnapping and aggravated assault. victor was back in the bexar county jail on a parole violation. >> when a mafia member decides to defect after members of the mafia place a green light on that ex-member, there's a light on you, they will always beat you until you are no longer alive. so if they beat you one day, you happen to survive this assault, three weeks later you're walking down the street and see you, they're going to keep assaulting you until...

For kidnapping and aggravated assault. victor was back in the bexar county jail on a parole violation. >> when a mafia member decides to defect after members of the mafia place a green light on that ex-member, there's a light on you, they will always beat you until you are no longer alive. so if they beat you one day, you happen to survive this assault, three weeks later you're walking down the street and see you, they're going to keep assaulting you until you're no longer living. >> i always try to stay a step ahead, checking my surrounding, you know, after a while, being from n. prison you m...