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Challenges when it comes to north korea. general kelly has served throughout the world, 45-year marine. there's hope in the white house and expectation that he can help the president talk through how to work with china, how to work with japan, work with international institutions to confront this threat. >> mark leibovich it's surreal you have somebody like steve bannon thinking that he can second-guess and undercut a marine general who not only served this country for 45 years all over the world, but lost his son in combat and just said good-bye to another son going over to afghanistan. i thi...

Who is going to prevail? >> it's very fair to say that. who will prevail, jared kushner is in a certain position. he is family. president trump made a real effort to bring him and ivanka trump to the white house. historically he has turned again to ivanka trump and to jared essentially to have his back. >> what's steve bannon thinking. if he can't win this battle, why fight with jared? >> steve bannon very much came in during the summer and looked to the campaign that didn't have a lot of in electial architecture, policy coherence. the reality is that he sort of read what president trump's ins...