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President. and that stands in contrast to hillary clinton and also to jeb bush someone who's been his long-time friend mentor and ally. someone who many thought would keep rubio out of this race. and i think rubio is standing up here and refusing to be crowded out of this field by someone who is basically been a juggernaut, and there are a lot of donors and party officials who say rubio has actually been slowly and steadily impressing the donor class and others we've spoken to at some of the closed door meetings over the course of the last couple of months. >> thank you very much kasie. let me...

To respond to what steve said for a moment the idea about the excitement around hillary clinton's campaign nationally it's motivated by even a new generation. the college campuses today, young women with young men coming to see her and listen to her and cheer her on. it's a mistake to underestimate the grassroots activism in the party for her. that's why there's not a democratic challenger emerging right now. >> greatly appreciate it thank you, we continue the conversation. thank you, guys. as hillary clinton makes her way to iowa, we're also following developing news out of miami, florida. nb...

I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of whether or not democrats will ever like marco rubio. we probably know that not to be the case but that he's disappointed some like yourself steve day, some tea party members or some on the far right. how does he get out of that situation? >> well you'll notice what i just said tamron he could be the establishment candidate. because of the article as an accurate assessment of where marco rubio sits that's why there's a lot more excitement around ted cruz and rand paul instead. i don't think he can be the conservative proxy in this race but he'd be a br...

Going to people's homes and having coffee. so hillary clinton seems to be trying to replicate more of what edwards and obama did and that's why they came in first and second in iowa. iowans expect personal contact, personal attention. she's not going the big inevitable route, she's going the small, intimate route. >> joy reid thank you so much for joining us. and joining me now, beth fewy who covered clinton's campaign in 2008 along with robert zimmerman and a man from iowa steve daze. thank you for joining us. let me start off with you here in this small approach. we know according to "the wa...

And having her connect with smaller circles of people helps make for a more effective message and more informed aware candidate, too. >> let's bring in steve, who's clearing his throat because he can't wait to get in this one. on a large scale, rand paul's rollout there, marco rubio, we're going to talk about that in a moment will have a large scale, when you contrast that to the candidates you are likely to support, what do you make steve, of this softer and i caution when people use that because i do think that's a loaded term there, but this softer smaller rollout of hillary clinton's campa...