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And i think 2012 was a referendum on reality. it used to work for them. that's now changed vrmt it's now a lot more reality-based and we saw in 2012 what happens when people are informed, they can express their views and it's based on facts and reality and they vote accordingly. >> you know, david, when you were talking about how they felt they were going to win these skewed polls, i couldn't help but think about steven corbert and how he explained it. let me show you something he did with the poll. >> the point is, the polls showing romney behind have to be wrong. >> we have a bunch of polls....

Murray, a gun control activist from chicago. she was a guest at the state of the union last month. steven barton, out reach and policy associate for mayors against illegal guns. steven is a survivor of the aurora colorado shooting last july. he was shot in the face and neck. his body riddled with 25 shotgun pellets. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> caroline, let me start with you. this is the first big step in getting real gun law legislation passed. what does this mean to you? >> it's only saying that there's so much more work that needs to be done.

Just leaves me speechless. but it shows me how necessary to have a gun control bill be passed in this nation. >> well, caroline and steven, i thank you boet for being on the show. i thank god that you're here to do the work. and i have hope people around the country listen to people not on the beltway, but mothers, like caroline, who has had to bury their son. and victims that have had to survive unspeakable acts, like steven. this is what this is all about. this is not able lobbyists and manufacturers. it's not even about politicians. it's about real people being safe. thanks for your time. w...