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Created a template for the ideas that were once on the margin, these ideas that were once beyond the pale through a lot of work, a lot of effort through the 20th century, people trying to push these ideas out of mainstream acceptable political thought and rhetoric. he's still created a template to make those things work. trumpism can exist outside the presence of donald trump. i think that's the thing we should be really concerned about, especially as we look at the demographic changes afoot in the country. that's really the prime vehicle -- >> that is the prime vehicle as you said, and study ...

Presence of donald trump. i think that's the thing we should be really concerned about, especially as we look at the demographic changes afoot in the country. that's really the prime vehicle -- >> that is the prime vehicle as you said, and study after study has shown it's not economic anxiety as people said. it's really the changing demographics. >> right. that's what it is. >> it's going to be a massive multi-era for don to detoxify american politics even after donald trump leaves the scene. i mean i think we're going to have to have some kind of public health campaign like we had to stigmati...