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Call in which flynn's cooperation with the government is being discussed and the president having positive feelings about michael flynn being discussed, the idea being that somehow there's a suggestion by mr. dowd, the president's attorney at the time, don't say anything about the president, he wants to pardon you. i'm sorry, john dowd. that's the implication. >> right, there you see john dowd on the screen here. that's exactly the implication here, jake. the mere fact that they're saying, hey, listen, you know what, the president still views michael flynn favorably. maybe in the end, you can ...

Message, a transcript of it. this was a message from john dowd, the then personal attorney for the president, to michael flynn's attorney, basically telling him, you know, how the president viewed michael flynn at the time. he wanted information about whether or not michael flynn was cooperating. he suspected that michael flynn was cooperating, and so he -- what happens here is he basically, john dowd, tells flynn's lawyer, hey, the president still views michael flynn in a favorable way. the concern here for the attorney general for michael flynn was that somehow this was being done to affect ...

Democrats to pass your bills. they've held his feet to the fire on immigration and other things that turn this into a life or death issue for him. so whether he can violate this once or twice whether it looks like he has to violate it repeatedly to avoid catastrophe in the fall. whether his speakership can even make it into next year remains to be seen. >> i think speaker boehner has to decide, one day he has to just wake up and say, what the hell? we've got these problems. i've got to get this done for the sake of the country. it seems like he's the only person there who actually remembers wh...