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Want to make sure that the united states and south korea and our allies aren't threatening the ability of this dynasty to continue leading the country. >> but, you know, nobody in the administration -- while this administration has criticized the strategic patience of the obama administration and other administrations, no one is talking about regime change in north korea. so the signal that the americans are sending to kim jong-un is stay there if you want, stop messing around with the nuclear weaponry. >> for north korea they really believe in the long term because there's not actually a form...

If i was president, i would not sign an increased budget. absolutely would not do it. they would have to sign the budget. to be clear, it's increasing the debt limit, not the budget. but i want to make sure i understand you. you'd let the united states default rather than raise the debt limb? >> i would provide leadership that says get on the stick, guys, and stop messing around. and cut where you need to cut because we've not raising any spending limits, period. >> i'm going to try one more time, sir. this is debt that's already obligated. would you not favor increasing the debt limit to pay ...

>> no, not suggesting that at all. what the original question was if you were there and someone was holding a gun to you and asking you about your religion and they had shot other people, what would you do? and knowing that you were next to be killed and that they were going to continue down the line killing people, i would much rather go down fighting. and if all of us attack the shooter, the chances are very strong not all of us would be killed. to me, that doesn't seem like a very controversial thing. >> in another interview on national public radio, dr. carson seemed to struggle about a qu...

>> i would provide the kind of leadership that says get on the stick, guys, and stop messing around. and cut where you are need to cut because we're not raising any spending limits period. >> i'm going to try one more time, sir. this is debt that's already obligated. would you not favor increasing the debt limits to pay the debts already incurred? >> what i'm saying is what we have to do is restructure the way that we create that. if we continue along this, where does it stop? it never stops. >> kai ryssdal, i mispronounced that. >> the debt limit is something unfortunately congress has to go ...

If that helps a little bit to get the closure i guess that's good. >> unless someone planted the wing there to make them think it wasn't -- >> stop messing with -- >> i'm trying to helperic out. >> gregory, here's the thing. i think cnn, they just must be going bananas over there. they'll miss the debate because they're going to go 360 back on this story. >> the plane the plane. >> we made fun of cnn a lot. i really do believe this was one of the biggest stories potentially of a lifetime. because it was a mystery. and the fact is we live in a world where we know what's going on. every day we f...