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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 13:18:00

states. on the part about russia and what s going on inside, you see putin acting desperate. and the system in a lot of ways is crumbling and collapsing, but i don t want to sound overoptimistic just yet, because what ambassador mcfaul said was very important about putin threatening nuclear weapons. on one happened, you have putin coming out saying, i m going to draft 300,000 people. you have 261,000 men who fled russia over the course of three days. you have protests, arrests from those protests, and you have men who have been conscripted who have gone and attacked in listening centers or military recruitment officers. so you see this fraying at the edges or more than that, right? they re asking conscripts to bring their own helmets, flashlights, food, medicine. this is ridiculous, right? on the other hand, putin still has a lot of tools in his tool kit he hasn t used yet. biochemical weapons, nuclear weapons. and he s not someone who typically bluffs and he s not afraid to play ugly.

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 13:17:00

assessment of what you re seeing in russia right now with these thousands upon thousands of men fleeing the country, resisting putin s draft effort, heading to the borders, hopping on planes, whatever they can do to get out. what tells you about how things are going at home? sure. to start with the pipeline. this wouldn t be the first time we ve heard europe say that putin is deliberating trying to siphon off this gas. and sabotage sounds very part of his playbook. one of the things that the europeans have been saying, he s using energy as a weapon to react to europe s support for ukraine. europe was, at the end of last year, was importing 40% of its natural gas came from russia. that is a huge chunk. and there are certain countries like germany, italy, who depend on it even more than other countries. it s causing an energy crisis inside europe and they re fearful for the winter, of course. it s not easy to import from other places, but they re working on it. they re building other p

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