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In our country. to more than 1,000 groups nationwide. many of their sympathizers keep in touch through storm front.org. it is the internet's first major site and still one of the most popular. the sikh shooter wade michael page for example posted on the site which was founded by our guest don black the former grand wizard of the kkk who joins us from boynton beach, florida. welcome. i wonder if you are proud of the connection between mr. page and your website? >> well, of course not. and we are not a hate group any more than hispanic or black or jewish organizations promoting their interests, ...

Page? >> no, noble nobody i know had of page. apparently he had some association with skin head bands. he posted on storm front a total of 7 times in four years and each post was just promoting his band. that is all. >> was your former group the kkk when you were a grand wizard was that a hate group? >> it was not. >> the kkk wasn't a hate group either? >> it as term that had nothing to do with one's political or racial views prior to the -- >> and you don't think that the attitudes you just expressed might generate the kind of hatred that could lead to the violence perpetrated by people like ...

J.m., last thought. >> well, kevin harpin who tried to blow up martin luther king day parade last year was a storm front poster and he credited storm front for educating him about race. if you pick any ten threads at random. might be one thread celebrating white culture and positive values against nine with negative statements against nonwhites. the statement that it is not a hate site is absurd on the face of it. >> geraldo: i have to leave it there. the discussion will continue. thank you. up next, governor january brewer are says the feds -- governor jan brewer says the feds can take a hike...

In the midst of this we've seen lie after lie come out of fox news and come from sarah palin, for instance, you know, funny she said it was a false argument, the naacp claiming that the tea party was racist and she was right. it is a false argument. we never made that argument. we said and we still say you've got serious white supremacist and racist elements in your ranks. you have the council of concerned citizens, storm front.org. we've been researching this for months. we know what we're talking about and that's why you guys imploded last week and mark williams just came all out of his skul...

They were a klansman and threatening the lives of naacp members. in the midst of this we've seen lie after lie come out of fox news and come from sarah palin, for instance, you know, funny she said it was a false argument, the naacp claiming that the tea party was racist and she was right. it is a false argument. we never made that argument. we said and we still say you've got serious white supremacist and racist elements in your ranks. you have the council of concerned citizens, storm front.org. we've been researching this for months. we know what we're talking about and that's why you guys i...