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Control his various tweeting and public statements that are confusing and are related to the ongoing investigations. so certainly it makes sense to those in the legal community why there would be another attempt to bring in a lawyer who can bring some order and discipline to whatever is their legal and media strategy. >> brian, we know about the feds that they hate being lied to. in fact, it's a crime. you just never lie to the feds. how do they feel about kind of slow drip? >> look, you've got to understand that it doesn't do anybody good, whether it's the president or don junior, to hire a l...

And for the russians, that was a green light to keep going at this. and the question is we don't know what contacts occurred afterwards. but again, to go back to jared, the fact that later on in december he proposes setting up channel through russian communications to the russians because he doesn't trust the nsa, the national security agency. i find that particularly disturbing. >> so matt, just as your legal experience, if you had a client who says one thing on a saturday. doesn't give the full story of what the meeting was, and then sort of gradually the story changes, that transparency to ...

Nsa, i find that particularly disturbing. >> that as your legal experience, if you had a client who says one thing on a saturday, doesn't give the full story of the meeting and gradually the story changes. is that transparency to you? >> it's concerning as a lawyer because as you see jay trying to explain the facts as he currently knows them, i think he's a little worried he's on shifting sand. i think he's doing a great job in this circumstance. but anyone can tell you if you haven't got the full story from your client, you're very worried. jeff's point is very true that they have moved the g...

About when president trump knew about this meeting? >> no doubt about it, pamela. this is really the first major instance that donald trump started discussing potential dirt on the clinton's and threatened to use it in a campaign setting. the fact he never did raises more questions. why did he decide not to? is it because they went to the meeting and there was no dirt to be had? we are not sure. the fact he started talking about this shortly after this meeting was being arranged does raise the question of did he know about it. don jr. says he did not tell his father, but don jr. is also being ...

Cover the building, there was an attempt tonight white house's part for the previous weeks to have an energy week, in other weeks drive other messages. and the story is consuming them now we've reached this watershed event because, for months and months and months we were told that there's no there-there, and now there it is. and even allies of the white house like charles craft hammer are out and quite critical of them for their handling of this. each successive day the story changes, and that's death. the key to crisis communications is figure out where the story is going and get there first...