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Train. right now. >> patrick, i want to go back to that moment where this crash occurred where you were in the dining core sitting at one of those tables. of course, no seat belts anywhere on an amtrak train and the dining car being an even looser place to sit, as it were. the train, that train, that regional train, at 60, 70 miles per hour, does a certain amount of rocking. it's not just a smooth roll. and there's some rocking back and forth. you get used to it pup internalize it as the train is moving along. at what point did you realize what i'm feeling here isn't right? well, i was sitting...

Multiple injuries. that's as much detail as we have at this point about what actually happened there. we've been provided with much more detail much more of a feel for what it was like to be inside that car by former congressman patrick murphy. you're still with us here by foam phone? >> yeah. i'm still here. >> i just wanted to ask you, because of your military training, as i listen to you, as a combat veteran in iraq and with your training it makes me realize that people in your car that you were in were lucky that you were in it since you're -- of all the people i know who could by travelin...

Speed. the train got wobbly and, you know, i knew right away something bad had happened. i just grabbed on to the table as hard as i could. like the force of the -- the force of the train you know i just went flying across the other side of the train where we were upside down and the person that was there, thought i'd help him and help the guy next to me was unconscious. so i was helping to try to get him up. he came to. took him up out of the emergency exit. standing halfway on the other seat so -- and then pushed him up through the window and so helped other people go through the window.

Be -- if there's 200 plus passengers on that train, there may well be 100 people standing there. can you estimate how many people you see standing there where the passengers are standing who seem okay? >> 1100 seems about right. the problem now is that people in the neighborhood are also standing out here. so it's very tough to tell who was on the train. i mean some people have you know, like soot on their faces and blood on their clothes and thaesz easy to tell. but otherwise, it's a little tough to tell at this point to decipher between who was a passenger and who was a part of the neighborh...

Philadelphia in mid journey. they've communicated absolutely nothing to their relatives. they've communicated nothing to the -- what must be thousands and thousands of people who are wondering about friends and relatives who they know are on that train or who must be on tra train. not one word from amtrak about what happens next for those people who are stranded there. >> yes. and i think you are correct. as you know, i can't speak for them. so -- >> and jay, in your experience with amtrak and dealing with amtrak in public affairs, what is this silence about? we have an hour and a half of abso...