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Years ago? >> as far as being -- this is something historical that's been af the top of our minds something we celebrate every year, but actually being out there, you know, we had safety harnesses, we had other ropes we weren't climbing rope ladders or single strand ropes, we weren't getting shot at. there weren't grenades going off. it was still a difficult climb so i can only imagine with everything that they were going through at the time, what they did was just absolutely remarkable.d, >> to sit there and, you know try to really take in like what kind of physical exertion and you know what...

Something historical that's been on the top of our minds, something we celebrate every year, but actually being out there, you know, we had safety harnesses, we had other ropes, we weren't climbing rope ladders or single strand ropes, we weren't getting shot at. there weren't grenades going off. it was still a difficult climb so i can only imagine with everything that they were going through at the time, what they did was just absolutely remarkable. >> to sit there and, you know, try to really take in like what kind of physical exertion and, you know what kind of mental and physical attributes...