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Populism would be the enactment of populist policies themselves which end up hurting american farmers, american consumers, people that shop at walmart. people that shop at best buy. people that go into the grocery store. populism may end up being the ultimate cure for populism. >> that's a great point. it's -- you know, it's both ross perot in '92 and pat buchanan in '92 and '96 and you had the american first, very charged phrase from the 1930s but a more isolationist and that america is being ripped off which is what president trump has been saying in various media forums through the years. t...

Mediocre jobs they didn't sign up for. it's working for corporate american so continuing to hone in on that message and focus on what the democrats would do if they full control of the congress and the white house, but you have to stay steady on this message because as we know, mika, it's a poll and poll, time after time has shown that americans are not feeling this positive economy that we have right now. so you couple that with going in to a recession or at least starting to feel the initial effects of a recession, it's really bad for trump. that's why -- look, right now with a 40% re-elect ...

Money, it's a point they absolutely believe in they get a lot of small dollar donations and so you have bernie sanders, you have elizabeth warren. raising a ton of money almost more than anyone else in the race, not more than everyone else, but most other people. largely on a message, i'm not talking to the mega donors or the billionaires. that's a potent message for someone. >> do you see it playing out where the democratic billionaires will land? >> there's an expectation at the top of the so-called establishment that when there's a nominee there will be a number of super pacs, the dnc, all ...

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Lot. i traveled around the country with her and she used to taught about the corrupting power in democrats. >> steyer is interesting too because there's the open question of whether he'll get on the debate stage going forward with the other candidates and the other thing about steyer you mentioned too, you have the bloomberg type of billionaire who is apprehensive when it comes to a warren or sanders but here is steyer, willing to spend money in the campaign and run on a strident progressive message. if he gets on the stage in these debates where do you think his presidency can go? >> he's ver...