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None of that is for real. they have to do with they have to do to keep senator flake and senator collins on board, stable given more time. they're not going to allow her to testify after brett kavanaugh, that is lunacy. the demand that they do so is an obstruction move in order to delay proceedings. the bottom line is this, the longer the strings on, the worst it is, not from brett kavanaugh, but for dr. ford. >> laura: democrats are betting the other way. >> i know they are. >> laura: i'm concerned about the longer -- i never liked these delays. >> i do not want it to go along. i wanted to en...

And play. people within the administration of the va who don't want a new va secretary. they are trying to guard their power base within the va. and then you have the veterans groups. they don't like the idea that they are bringing in someone they don't know, i don't have any strings on, not attached to. then you have the military. don't forget dr. jackson was involved in a turf war with another doctor inside the white house medical office. you have jon tester, senator from montana, red state, he's not anti-trump. guess what, he says the people. he's had 20 military people, not political peopl...

Know now. >> in our last 15 seconds, ned, even understanding all of your arguments, christine's arguments given that knowledge of who controls those strings on who has the security clearance, you don't see anything changing, do you? >> well, chris, i would make the point, that's not the way it's supposed to work. the president of the united states is not supposed to be the arbiter of security clearances. in the case of white house staff that should fall to office management. do i see them standing up to a president, a president who is known to be a bully, i don't see them doing that, unfortuna...