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Lap. and this is the famous beige that we're never going to have anywhere of it. he hated this at the time, that we were stuck with it by the time we got out there. it was a fun little machine. he called me out of the blue. i was working at xerox and i picked up the phone and it was steve jobs. he said, i hear you're a good guy but everything you've done so far is crap. come work for me. i told my wife at the time, i said, what could happen? how bad could this be? i didn't realize how bad it could be. first trip steve ever made to japan was to see what we could

Could be. first trip steve ever made to japan was to see what we could do about getting a disk drive for that machine and we saw the sony disk facility in sugi, japan. we would sit in the temples in kyoto just taking off our shoes at the door and sitting. >> did he take from that any kind of aesthetic vision do you think? >> i think certainly. a simplicity. just feeling that inner calm that's so available at places -- at some places in japan. >> he was very much a person that was comfortable in silence.