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Structural change, medicare for all and so on. you navigated around that debate to some degree on the stage. do you think you need to draw the lines more brightly in iowa. >> i believe as much as anybody or more that we do need big and polled and transformative change. i do also think that how bold you are is not the same as how left you are. while i'm more progressive than some of the other democrats and also have a view considered moderate certainly compared to bern nip sanders on these issues. to me it's not about finding the right dot on the ideological line i think vote remembers less ide...

We deal with blood lead levels in children. a lot of people don't know this is a major problem out there. i was back in flint about six weeks ago. the plan was to add $50 million. we need to do it and we can do it and i will do it. >> thank you. donald trump won in michigan by 16 percentage points that was critical to winning the state's 16 electoral votes. now, there's a debate about the best way to democrats can win back michigan. vice president biden, last night on this stage, elizabeth warren said, we're not going to fix the problems we face with small ideas and spinelessness. we're going ...

Relitigating previous record or will it be about like an affirmative vision, looking forward? harris and booker have certainly forecast it, trying to relitigate biden's record from the past. he wants to shift that debate looking forward. >> and he was not mentioned by name last night. that's what was fascinating. he is the leading candidate. i'm not sure we call him the front-runner anymore. he's the leading candidate. we'll see if he can make himself, reaffirm himself. buttigieg and warren, are they talking biden? >> we're not going to solve the urgent problems that we face with small ideas a...

Succinctly what separates you from bernie in you're both talking -- you used a word from the '60s it kind of scared me -- structural change. what do you mean by it? >> it's reel. right now we've got a political problem and that is money makes its way felt in every decision in washington. campaign contributions, lobbyists, dark money -- >> can you tell when a colleague has been bought? >> come on, look at the votes. >> can you tell? >> sometimes and sometimes you got to wonder. but understand, chris, that's like looking at this thin slice of it. it's not only the campaign contributions. it's ho...

Structural change. >> it's real. it says, look, right now, we have a political problem. that is money makes its way felt in every decision in washington. >> can you tell when a colleague has been bought? >> come on. >> look at the votes. >> you can tell when a colleague has been bought? >> sometimes. and sometimes you have to wonder. understand, chris, that's looking at this thin slice of it. it's not only the campaign contributions. how many times have the lobbyists been in to talk to the staffers. how many times have -- >> how do they grease their way in? >> they grease their way in. how abo...