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Of spread from four years -- from eight years ago on john kerry and his massive accumulations and on theresa heinz kerry, who has every right to live well, they have every right to live well, but so too do the romney. >> and willie geist pointed out an article that he was windsurfing in nantucket and how he's out of touch. does this stuff matter, do you think? >> i don't think the election -- i don't think voters care about vacation homes and that sort of thing. but the reason it could be damaging to mitt romney is if it reinforces this idea that he's a rich guy that doesn't care about you, do...

That -- mitt romney seems like he lives in black and white. he lives in the kind of beaver cleaver times and then he was not someone caught up in the hippy movement in any way, shape, or form. >> 1971, students were protesting and people described mitt romney as a boy scout in those days. he was older than the typical student and lived off campus and married with a son. that set him apart from the group and individuals told me stories about his devotion to the friends he made and the people he met. >> me because it's an active debate. they said mitt romney and the high school he went to and th...

>> um, didn't get briefed properly. this is not a big deal, what it gets to i think, is all of these people have their surrogates out. i got a big list from mitt romney the other day aaron shock, i'm sure no one in iowa knows, a congressman from illinois, going around the state. does any of this surrogate stuff matter at all or is it just ways to fill up our pages and our websites until the vote? >> well, i think that surrogates tend to matter most when they say something spectacularly bad. >> thank you, joe arpaio. >> that doesn't quite rise to the level. but the candidates sure act as though...