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Mark there's interesting stuff underneath. people have rumoured and there's a possibility that putin will for example admit that this is a war and not simply a special military operation. it's unlikely, but possible. more plausible is that he'll talk about russia annexed in bits of ukraine which they now occupy, which, if they do that, is very serious because it makes arriving at peace talks much more difficult. and there's talk about him introducing conscription, full war preparation in russia which again i think is unlikely but it is possible. to again i think is unlikely but it is ossible. ...

A person in another circumstances might act well or with integrity. they look around. that guy is getting rich off shady deals, that guy is get being rich offer shady deals. am i the sucker? you see people act in ways they wouldn't normally because everyone around them is acting -- >> so grift me taftastecises. there is a sense in which there are a whole bunch of people who are complicit in not only undermining the basic norms of democracy, but really dismantling the ways in which this place works, the ways in which government works. trump is its face. he's the carnival barker, but there's all...

That guy is getting rich off shady deals, that guy is get being rich offer shady deals. am i the sucker? you see people act in ways they wouldn't normally because everyone around them is acting -- >> so grift metastecises. there is a sense in which there are a whole bunch of people who are complicit in not only undermining the basic norms of democracy, but really dismantling the ways in which this place works, the ways in which government works. trump is its face. he's the carnival barker, but there's all of this stuff underneath that's happening. >> it can't be just him. they're broken window...

Democracies die. this goes back to your point, christine. there is a sense in which there are a whole bunch of people who are complicit in not only undermining the basic norms of democracy, but really dismantling the ways in which this place works. >> yeah. >> the ways in which government works. trump is its face. he's the carnival barker, but there is all of this stuff underneath that's happening. >> there are broken windows personified. >> a really funny point. like the actual broken window. >> they are. it's like sort of like doping, too. i don't want to be the one fool who is not doping. y...

Basically? why would he want to help? >> mueller is not sitting around, twiddling his thumbs and waiting for giuliani to make a decision on whether he is going to produce the president for an interview. i mean, the scope of this probe is so vast and so wide by necessity based on turn over one rock and there is more stuff underneath. but any good investigator is going to want to talk to a key witness and find out what he has to say. and he might have or might not have sufficient evidence to actually bring and prove a crime. and of course there is an addition, a big constitutional question as to...