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Terms in the cases of the long, dirty toenails. and the jury didn't buy it, right? the jury didn't buy it here. so, what kind of hope does that give you going forward? >> i mean, i -- i don't know. i mean, i -- that's a tough question, john. you stumped me on that. you have to text me later why you asked me such a stumping question in front of millions of people. i am -- i want to be hopeful because i have children. and i want to be hopeful because of the fact that i don't believe anything about this country is irredeemable. i think we just have to reimagine what she looks like. but the fact o...

Give you going forward? >> hmm. i mean -- i don't know. i mean -- that's a tough question, john. you stumped me on that. you'll have to text me later why you asked me such a stumping question in front of millions of people. i am -- i want to be hopeful, because i have children. and i want to be hopeful because of the fact that i don't believe anything about this country is irredeemable. i think we just have to reimagine what she looks like. but the fact of the matter is that but for the fact we had this video, this case doesn't get to this point. and there were even individuals in -- in author...

Reimagine it but i believe it works and i think today, when you have 11 white folk from south georgia who came to this conclusion that these individuals murdered this boy. they lynched this boy. i think that you have to have and hold onto that hope. and hopefully, this is just, you know, it's a -- it may be a small ripple but hopefully it's a ripple of justice that can go throughout the country. i think that's the hope that we glean from today's verdict but that's -- that's a damn hard question, john. >> sara, there are federal charges now, also. what do you see happening with them? >> glad it...

And hold onto that hope. and hopefully, this is just, you know, it's a -- it may be a small ripple, but hopefully it's a ripple of justice that can go throughout the country. i think that's the hope that we glean from today's verdict, but that's a -- that's a damn hard question, john. >> sara, there are federal charges now, also. what do you see happening with them? >> glad it's not a stumping question. the federal charges are important. the federal charges are important here, john, because, you know, that's what we really need. we need that conviction in the federal indictment to close the lo...