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We'll let it pass and fix it later. how can you trust, how can you trust when he is also hearing from democrats the argument that, "if you pass the stupak amendment, more children will be born and therefore it will cost us millions more." wow! that's disturbing. and yet it sounds strangely reminiscent, almost like john holdren the science car that says we could put sterilizations in the drinking water and forced abortions the if we have to there is a population explosion. when do we say no to trusted approach? how many examples of government failures do you need to see before we ask the right ...

Spending through these insurance policies on abortion. she is saying she is not going to vote for that. of course, the house members are being asked to vote for the senate bill. that does not include the stupak amendment language, it includes the corn husker kickback and louisiana purchase, to help particular states. that is not going to help marginal democratic members. they have no members from nebraska and one from louisiana. >> gregg: and stupak amendment on abortion can't be used under reconciliation which invites another question. the senate democrats are promising we'll fix the things y...

That some people are for it or aren't for it. i haven't committed to absolutely for it because the devil is in the details. i want to see the language and then i'll make my decision. we need health care. >> we are saying we need health care reform. i know we need health care reform. costs are out of control. the issues with the insurance company, i agree we have problems with the insurance companies. >> julie: what measures are the democrats going to take to get their health care reform. you say pelosi will get votes by promises of taxpayer money to buy votes behind the scene. if it was such a...

Coverage for abortion. he told the national review online this past weekend what are democratic leaders saying if you pass the stupak amendment more children will be born and therefore it will cost millions more. that's one of the arguments i've been hearing. stupak says, money is their hang-up. is this how we value life in america. if money is the issue, come on, we can find room in the budget. this is a life that we're talking about. he later amended his remarks to say it was a democratic leaders -- it was not democratic leaders but members of the democratic majority in the house of represen...

Realistic. >> gregg: does she have house members, democrats she is holding in reserve, the folks that voted no originally, might split or a little fungible? >> i expect she does have votes in her pocket but we know it's not as many as 10-12 votes. she would not have allowed the stupak amendment was to be voted on which was opposed by members of her caucus had he is not needed the ten votes at that time. she doesn't have more than ten votes in her pocket ready to spring open while the role call is going on. >> gregg: if you are a betting man, would you say or bet she is not going to get the 216...