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>> if you have a subject talking like that and you have the powers of the special counsel office, do you force the issue in court? >> absolutely. it was a constitutional conflict of major his tor importance. with foreign nations interfering. he wants to take and never does it. take it to court. if you lose it you're in the game. you can't win the argument you don't make. none of the targets were interviewed. and mueller was on notice for this. and rosenstein and barr who came lately to the game had done lots of things he was on notice. >> let's play it out. in fairness to the team, the report ...

Are learning about this dramatic arrest that took place here in the united states from nick valencia. it involved a 21-year-old who was arrested by federal agents today as part of a plot to attack the white house and various buildings inside the washington, d.c. area. this stemmed from a tip that came into the fbi, an individual reported that this subject was becoming radicalized and exhibiting signs that worried him. the fbi opened an investigation. they moved in. what followed was this dramatic development where you have the subject talking about wanting to travel overseas to an area control...

In this country to stand up for the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker? we're going to take it out of them again? we're going to end up with a deal, folks, that's going after social security and medicare and medicaid, and there won't be any tax increases and it it wouldn't surprise me if we have to vote on the debt ceiling three more times before the election. i think the president at this point, whereas he is probably talking tough, i think he's willing to go out on the campaign trail right now and say, all right. you saw how bad those guys were. is that how you want the country run...

I mean -- the thing is this. while we are on the subject talking about clarifying things. i would like someone to clarify what mansion is. that does not look like a mansion to me. >> looked like a crack house. >> exactly. we have -- difference that seems to me between right-to-know and need-to-know. we are, i think, subsumed in this country we have the right to see everything and once we see it we don't even believe it. it is none zblens we are in a visual world these days. i'm an old print journalist. boy, we are on tv right now. everything is very visual in the way information is transmitted...