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Utah state prison is one of the only penal institutions in the country that houses both male and female offenders. usp's 430 women are housed here, at the timpanogos facility. >> that come from every social, economic class there is. they come in and say, i didn't think this could happen to me. and here i am. >> the timpanogos facility is split into four buildings or s.t.a.r.s. one of the four buildings is home of the excel program, a therapeutic community for substance abusers. >> i'm in here for zero to five. >> possession with intent to distribute. >> possession of a controlled substance wit...

Utah state prison is one of the only penal institutions in the country that houses both male and female offenders. usp's 430 women are housed here, at the timpanogos facility. >> that come from any social, economic class there is. they come in and say, i didn't think this could happen to me. and here i am. >> the timpanogos facility is split into four buildings or s.t.a.r.s. one of the four buildings is home of the excel program, a therapeutic community for substance abusers. >> i'm in here for zero to five. >> possession with intent to distribute. >> possession of a controlled substance with ...

Problem and a social responsibility problem, personal responsibility problem. you know that's true. yet, you don't mention that. >> no. first of all, that's not true, bill. here again, do your homework. you just told dr. west to do his homework. you do yours. you've not seen the special and not read the transcripts. we talked to persons who are substance abusers this week. you're wrong again, my friend. we do talk about that issue in the special. check it out, number one. number two, it is a social problem but it's also a political problem. the ranks of the poorp poor in this country are growi...

>> all right. >> bill: 9% are addicted. all right? they can't work. they're going to be poor. you know it. all right? also, child abuse, 70% of it is because of substance abuse. what do you do with those people, tavis? do you let them -- does the government pay them? what does the government do real quick? >> i can answer in 15 seconds. one, you don't demonize them as you have done. you don't criminalize poverty as you like to do and you find programs to work for those who have problems but the majority of americans, again, of all races, bill, of all colors, of all creeds are not substance abu...

I got 30 seconds. >> all right. >> bill: 9% are addicted. all right? they can't work. they're going to be poor. you know it. all right? also, child abuse, 70% of it is because of substance abuse. what do you do with those people, tavis? do you let them -- does the government pay them? what does the government do real quick? >> i can answer in 15 seconds. one, you don't demonize them as you have done. you don't criminalize poverty as you like to do and you find programs to work for those who have problems but the majority of americans, again, of all races, bill, of all colors, of all creeds are...