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I think it's a way to try and get the two senators that we have who are not on board to go for something that won't change the horrible, voracious change in the balance of power that will allow elections to slant things in the directions of republicans in a dramatic way, in an unfair way, in an un-small-"d"-democratic way. i'm opposed to it. i'm opposed to allowing that to be the subject of this conversation. it's no substitute for what we have to do. >> in terms of what you have to do, you've put a specific timeline on this now. you've said by the martin luther king holiday, by a week from mo...

Reaction to that apparent movement from senator mcconnell just on that one piece of reforms and protection you've been pushing for. >> let me say this. i think that what they're trying to do is try to substitute that for the very needed reforms that we have urged, undoing what the state legislatures are doing throughout the country. and so it's sort of like saying, well, i'm going to rig the game, but then i'll make sure you count the score accurately. what the hell is the point if you rig the game to count the score accurately? that's point number one. point number two is, it doesn't deal wit...

The plan, no one who actually organized the plot of which the january 6th attack was a part, none of those folks has felt any kind of heat from law enforcement at all. now, to his credit, in my opinion, the attorney general answered that question today in a sort of helpful expository way, in a way that involved a helpful explanation for us, the public, about how complex prosecutions work. because we're not lawyers, no matter how many, you know, legal procedurals you watch or read, it's good to hear for real about how these things work. it's good to have it explained, how simpler crimes, lower ...

Including donald trump, and that the majority will reject political violence and trust the judicial system. at the moment that belief for garland and all americans is an enormous political gamble. david rode writing today at "the new yorker." joining us now is david rode, executive editor at newyorker.com. thanks for making time to be here tonight. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> tell me about this bold contention that you're making, that the question of whether or not to prosecute trump is the defining issue of garland's tenure. why do you see it that way? >> i think, and you've done a...

His speech today continues to believe that the majority of americans still support the principle that all people should be treated fairly under the law including donald trump, and that the majority will reject political violence and trust the judicial system. at the moment that belief for garland and all americans is an enormous political gamble. david rohde writing today at "the new yorker." joining us now is david rohde, executive editor at newyorker.com. thanks for making time to be here tonight. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> tell me about this bold contention that you're making, t...