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Refusing to testify from the administration. this is a little bit of an unusual situation because sondland himself has said he wants to testify. mike pompeo, the secretary of state, has sort of indicated that he was attempting to protect state department employees. the fact that these are state department employees essentially saying we want to go to congress, i want to tell my story, and the state department is now intervening to block that testimony, that makes it look a lot more like the secretary of state is protecting himself and the president rather than actually sort of trying to protec...

Growing about that delay, delay tactic. >> the politics of this going forward. joining now to discuss, security and legal analyst susan hennessy and sunlin kim. i want to start on a basic legal question here because this gets to the fundamental questions about congress and oversight. what is congress' play here? can they hold someone like ambassador sondland in contempt? because if this is a template for how the white house is going to deal with this going forward, they have to address this. otherwise, there's no inquiry. >> significantly, sondland was agreeing to voluntarily appear for this d...